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it was a domestic incident that led to the
stabbing of Reginald day by his live-in
girlfriend but as police would quickly
discover his attacker was more than just
your average citizen in this North
Carolina city
This is episode 15 the
Crystal Gayle Mangum story
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what inspired the two of you to make a
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what inspired you more specifically
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but I think after Melanie’s case there
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my interest Amy you want to add to that
the only thing I want to say I’m also
very interested how many offenders were
once victims and many victims become
offender so it’s interesting to see that
relationship and although we do see that
relationship with all offenders not just
females I tend to see it a little more
when we talk about female offenders that
victim offender relationship Amy isn’t
it like I believe the statistics are
really alarmingly high about women in
prison and levels of victimization I
think it’s something like to % of
all women in prison have been victimized
I know it I have a stat exact one from
when I teach the class but it’s high
right well yeah because you also have a
large population of women who are in
there for killing their once abusers
they’re not they killed them in
self-defense or a battered women’s
syndrome came up we talked a little bit
about that in an upcoming episode ok Amy
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Valerie second of all women have been
historically understudied in the field
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first and now that the research is
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reason that females are not studied as
much is because there aren’t as many
female serial killers and that’s just
the truth about % of all serial
killers are female oftentimes when
females are killing they’ll kill with a
male partner and usually they’re doing
it at the behest of a male partner when
females kill on their own I think it’s
also not as salacious or not as juicy
right when females kill on their own as
serial killers they’re usually doing so
for utility for a reason so and usually
that’s that’s about money usually women
who kill are doing so because of money
whereas we tend to be more fascinated
with the male serial killer because the
male serial killers motives are
typically more sexual or violent in
nature or both so I think for the
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there still aren’t as many female serial
killers and two the motives are maybe
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exciting I put that in quotes that would
be the reason why the female serial
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attention as the male serial killer does
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all right so let’s get to it Crystal
Gayle Mangum do you know who she is
I do not wonderful I love telling a new
story to you Amy crystal Mangum was born
in July of in Durham North Carolina
where she was raised as the youngest of
three children her dad was a truck
driver and her mom was a homemaker and
money was tight in high school Krystle
got involved with an older man she was
about or and he was about and
Krystal said he and some other men
kidnapped her at a certain point and
sexually assaulted her but her parents
reportedly did not believe Krystal so
what a crystal do was she joined the
Navy after high school and she had a
brief marriage to a man named Kenneth
McNeil but after that relationship ended
she had an affair with the naval officer
with whom she had two children she
received an honorable discharge but the
relationship ended Krystal then went on
to go to college and got a degree in
criminal psychology but she was having
trouble making ends meet especially
because at that point she had a third
child so now she’s essentially a single
mother with three children
and a degree but we know that that
doesn’t always mean it’s easy to get a
job reportedly she was also working
towards her master’s degree as well I
want to mention here Krystal had a
previous criminal record having been
arrested in for stealing a cab
while intoxicated and leading police on
a high-speed chase for which she served
a few weekends in jail paid fines and
restitution to be followed by a term of
probation so fast-forward Krystal met
Reginald day when he came to paint her
aunt’s home in January of they
clicked and Reggie invited Krystal to
come live with him as a roommate and
share the rent so she and her children
would move in with him she was living
with her aunt reported that she wanted
to get out but once Krystal moved in the
relationship very quickly blossomed into
a romance rather than a roommate
situation I’m assuming she knew that was
gonna happen people don’t just say hey
you want to live with me all the time
right it’s not very normal and it
happened super quickly yeah and I mean
maybe she already had plans of it maybe
she likes her oh yeah
no reportedly and we’ll talk about him
he was
very likable guy so their romance
blossomed very quickly but it would sour
just as quickly as it blossom how old
were her children were they young at
this point they were young children yeah
she had three younger children early in
the morning of April rd in Durham
North Carolina year old Reginald Day
was stabbed in his home in the abdomen
but managed to get to his nephews home
Carlos Wilson located just next door and
Wilson called an ambulance right away so
as we just discussed
Reggie lived with crystal and her three
children but crystal and the children
were gone when the police arrived on the
scene when the police came to the
apartment it was very obvious that there
had been a struggle on the scene there
were various knifes strewn about the
apartment but like a lot of knives like
six or seven of them the mattress was
off the bed and up against a wall there
was a door with a hole in it and it was
off the hinges and there was there was
blood spatter
there were also clumps of hair on the
floor so a struggle was obvious what had
happened earlier that evening is that
Reggie had attended a party with Krystal
with family and by all reports they
seemed like they were having a great
time they were happy nothing was wrong
but they come home and something happens
because a few hours after the attack on
Reggie a call is made by Crystal’s
son who claims that his mom stabbed
someone in self-defense because a man
had beat her up so the paramedics
respond and police had to take crystal
physically off of Liddy Howard floor and
that was a friend of crystals who was
watching her kids that night so crystal
had gone to Liddy’s home around :
a.m. and told Liddy that Reggie had
assaulted her so the police reported
Krystal was splayed out on the floor she
was clearly very disoriented they said
that she was sleeping actually and she
was taken to the police station right
away but she did not talk to the police
she asked for a lawyer probably because
you know she has a criminal history and
knows how this goes so what did she look
like at this time well she had visible
injuries she had some cuts scrapes it
looked like her lip was a little bit fat
from what I saw and I always encourage
people listeners to go ahead and just
look at the the photo from that
so she has injuries but they’re not what
I would characterize on the surface as
severe injuries they didn’t look that
way Reggie was at the time alive and he
was at Duke Medical Center where he was
stabilized after surgery the knife had
actually because he had sustained the
knife wound in the side it pierced his
colon and his spleen but the way they
described it is that it was nicked so he
survived and so at this point he is
you know stabilizing and the police want
to talk to him right away because as we
know you know the information you get
right after an event is the most
valuable so what did Reggie have to say
about this incident he and crystal went
to his cousin’s party and that they had
a wonderful time reportedly they both
drank a lot and when they returned
probably around : a.m. to the
apartment complex crystal ran into a
police officer I believe his name is
officer King he was a local police
officer who crystal knew and apparently
she got a little flirtatious with him
and Reggie got mad tensions escalated
pretty quickly and Reggie started
yelling at her starting a fight outside
with crystal at this late hour on
talking about how she was flirting with
another man and other men in general and
the officer that crystal knew actually
told them that they needed to quiet it
down and take their problems inside the
house which they did Reggie said after
they entered the apartment they
continued to fight and he admitted to
hitting her and he said that he was
angry and that she locked herself in the
bathroom making a call to ask someone to
come pick her up Reggie said that he was
so angry that he broke down the bathroom
door and pulled Krystal out by her hair
but then let her go and he said that
Krystal became enraged grabbing a knife
from the kitchen and stabbing him which
still might make this a self-defense
case but the knives that were seemingly
staged around the apartment told
somewhat of a different story
however Reggie’s admitting right here he
assaulted her he says though and here’s
gonna be the key part of his story that
after he pulled her out at some point he
let her go and he’s like fine forget it
I’m walking away I’m not gonna do this
Krystal was charged with assault with a
deadly weapon with the intent to kill
but then Reggie’s condition worsened in
the hospital and Reggie passed away and
now Krystal was charged for murder but
was this really about the crime or was
this about crystals past in Durham North
Carolina since crystal is one of the
most famous residents of Durham
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night in March crystal was hired as
a stripper for the Duke lacrosse team
now I know who this woman is okay
because you know the famous Duke
lacrosse scandal so crystal is at the
center she is the Duke Lacrosse rape
team accuser the lacrosse players had
requested white strippers but crystal
and her partner were black and Asian
crystal said that the players yelled at
her and called her racial slurs and then
she said that they physically assaulted
her and sexually assaulted her then they
left so it was her and the other woman’s
last name was Roberts and so they wind
up leaving the house and wind up in a
grocery store parking lot where they
have some type of argument so Robert
says she wanted Mangum to get out of her
car she said she was drunk and she
wanted her out but Mangum zyk arrested
in that parking lot for public
intoxication because police officers saw
this occurring so it’s during the time
that she’s being held at jail for this
arrest that she says she was raped by
the lacrosse players District
terney Mike Nifong brought charges
against three lacrosse players in the
matter of days and let me tell you how
Mangum identified her assailants she was
shown a photo lineup that included every
male from the party and she was supposed
to pick which one’s assaulted her yes
but do you understand the implication
there showing her yes of course because
they all look familiar to her every
anyone she picks is it will have been at
that party yeah so there’s no innocent
bystanders this is a tainted line yeah
for sure
teens have lined up right from the start
and so she picks three young males from
that okay Megan changed her story
several times but this story of the
young black working-class woman versus
the privileged white athletes became a
media sensation and Nifong was up for
re-election and he wanted to look good
he’s really what happened here Roberts
who was with Mangum she was the other
stripper for the party says that the
rape never happened she said that the
story was not true
so what did Nifong do he took DNA from
the players from the party but none of
their DNA was found in manga but rather
her boyfriends DNA was found in her they
did a rape kit yes they did okay so they
got you know again DNA from her and they
found her boyfriends but they did not
find any of those players she accused
but he he kept going though the
prosecutor well what he did was even
worse he withheld this information what
we know when a prosecutor withholds
information that would be exculpatory is
this is a Brady violation he buried that
information and I mean what happened
after that became really a scandal so
what happened to him the district
attorney he resigned he was disbarred he
was also convicted of I believe
withholding information and obstruction
he was for which by the way he served
one day in jail so is that a fair
sentence probably not but he did lose
his career and he’s really disgraced and
interestingly another of his cases had
the conviction overturned for similar
conduct and this was a double murder
case where I believe he withheld another
type of investigative report and that
happened several years after the fact so
crystals story really came into question
though as the evidence it just wasn’t
adding up
it wasn’t supporting her claims and what
you probably remember and I’m not sure
if everyone else does is that the boys
were exonerated leaving Crystal as the
girl who cried wolf and so to speak so
she was going to have a rough go she did
have a rough go after that in Durham and
one of the documentaries that I watched
about this case you know had some of her
friends talking about how no one would
hire her after that no one she couldn’t
get work understandably yeah
understandable or not she had a rough go
in Durham she stayed though she didn’t
get perjury charges or anything like did
you ever testify on the stand – she did
not and she did not receive any type of
perjury charges either but her life was
certainly not easy after that even with
no college education going to implicate
people for a crime that never occurred
then your life should have easy no it
shouldn’t be it read something to have
followed up because I was like curious
about how their lives turned out the
boys who were accused and it looked like
all three of them really landed on their
feet and did well yeah I mean I well
because they were white privileged boys
to begin with right well they were yeah
that’s true
but I guess their exonerations were also
some exonerations as you know are kind
of in named and others are really
believed yeah so of course you know
their exoneration was bleeped by most
when was the Duke Lacrosse okay so the
Duke Lacrosse rape case took place in
and then crystals fight with
Reginald day in which she stabbed him
took place in
gotcha I’m glad you put that out cuz
it’s good to have the timeline and now
let’s fast-forward two years to early
November when crystal would go on
trial in Durham because she was charged
as I said before and the charge was
upped to murder because Reginald died so
she wouldn’t plea she would not plead
because her story was that it was
self-defense and that’s what she’s going
in with doesn’t sound like self-defense
to me we’ll get there I’m curious to
hear why you think actually I can’t wait
to hear why you think that but let’s
talk about this the first thing and I
saw her attorney speak about this is no
change of venue request so her attorney
said that they couldn’t get a fair trial
anywhere in the country so why even
request a change of venue oh they didn’t
even bother requesting no she is
literally famous in you know I mean yes
people knew she was but not so famous
that every person in every region is
gonna know who she is right
it happened right there in Durham I
think never one thing would have been a
request for a change of venue you agree
with this i % agree with that okay so
the prosecutor calls Milton Walker to
the stand and this is an ex-boyfriend of
crystals and this was not good for
Crystal Milton describes an incident
about a year before the one between
Crystal and Reginald in which crystal
set his clothes on fire and became
physical with him threatening him with a
knife she was convicted of injury to
personal property child endangerment
because there were children in the home
her own and resisting arrest
and she spent a few months in jail for
this so this was extremely damning to
Crystal’s defense why were they allowed
that you have was that relevant to the
case prior conducts prior similar
conduct he she threatened him with a
knife so the prosecutor has a good point
to say this is what crystal does and
she’s been convicted for this before but
judges have a lot of discretion there
because we also hear cases where they
say it would be prejudicial to hear
about prior behavior it’s so true I
often wonder about the discretion that
they use and the difference when they
say you know is it more probative than
prejudicial and in this case it just
happened to work out that they believed
that you know they should hear from her
I don’t I don’t disagree but I just want
to point that out that there’s other
judges that would have not allowed that
I don’t disagree either to be honest but
yes and I’m sure this was a very
devastating piece this was devastating
to her case there’s no doubt about it he
also I might want to point out that he
did not want to be there
he only testified her ex-boyfriend
apparently did not have hard feelings
and he only testified because he was
subpoenaed and he had to but otherwise
he wasn’t that thrilled about it the
jury hears all this this is not good
crystal also decided to take the stand
in her own defense and she told the
story of the argument between she and
Reggie crystal said and this is her
version and how it differs from Reggie’s
crystal said that Reggie punched her and
she fled to the bathroom Reggie kicked
down the door dragged her out and went
to the kitchen and he grabbed knives out
of the drawers and began throwing them
at her and that’s why she said the
mattress was down she said she grabbed
the mattress and pretty much hid behind
it she said that she
eventually after throwing knives he got
her though and got on her and was
choking her and she grabbed a knife on
the floor and stabbed him in the abdomen
and that’s how the stab wound occurred
the defense also introduced experts to
help show that Reggie would not have
died of the knife wound but he went into
cardiac arrest due to alcohol withdrawal
which caused him to go into a coma and
the family wound up ending his life
support because he had brain damage
that’s interesting so they’re not even
arguing so obviously it’s an affirmative
defense she’s saying yes I did it but
yeah it’s because we talk a lot about
you know what an affirmative defense
means so it’s interesting that they’re
saying yeah she stabbed him but there’s
no reason to say she’s even responsible
for his death because it’s because of
alcoholism that’s what they were so they
got you they called medical examiner and
they thought oh just that they had
experts and they certainly had experts
to show like remember something did go
wrong he was on the mend but he was by
all accounts a serious drinker so it did
it was some type of cardiac arrest and
they argued that it was due to the
alcohol withdrawal and that if he had
been a healthy male those knife wounds
would not have been enough to kill him
but then again had it not been for the
knife wounds he would possibly still be
here today well so it’s still it’s still
going to be her fault regardless it was
just the defense is trying to mount you
know this is their defense is
self-defense they’re trying to mitigate
it but it’s a tough one they’re trying
to mitigate it because there’s arguing
that you know she had to do this she had
to fight for her life so I’m gonna ask
you what you think early normally I wait
till the end but before I tell you what
the jury deliberated on and what their
what they came to based on the two
stories that I told you do you have any
idea where your you’re at with us I’m
having a little trouble understanding
the — call by her son how does that
come into play did he see something or
very odd so I believe that his mother
came back to the house where he was and
I think she was hysterical she told him
what happened related this story I
didn’t witness anything he did not
witness anything okay so at first when
you said she locked herself in the
bathroom and then he walked away and
and I I was thinking that she went back
to him and I was gonna say that’s not
self-defense because the issue of timing
right that wasn’t an imminent threat but
her story is that it was a minute so
this just becomes one of those he said
she said it does become one of those and
I don’t know that she wasn’t credible um
except she doesn’t have credibility I
was gonna say unfortunately she doesn’t
have the best track record and
unfortunately what we do in the past is
gonna dictate how much people believe us
in the future it does yeah so at what I
mean I don’t know that she didn’t come
across as credible on the stand the
problem is that everyone in Durham knows
who she is and she’s the girl who lied
about the Duke Lacrosse rape so I think
her credibility was probably she’s a big
lie that wasn’t a lie to be taken
lightly of course not no credibility
means everything to juries right if you
get caught – with any lie even so this
is the we talked about this why people
don’t go put their clients on the stand
because any small lie you get caught in
destroys credit they didn’t bring that
up though no they didn’t but the point
was that they never moved it from Durham
everyone knew who she was all right wait
you didn’t give me your friend I’m sorry
you don’t do you think it’s do you think
it’s self defense I’ll give you my
opinion after I’m gonna give you my
opinion after it’s really hard because I
don’t hear any corroborating unless I’m
missing something there’s no
corroborating testimony from people that
heard anything obviously there’s that
officer that she was supposedly flirting
with who said take it inside
what about Reggie’s words himself when
he was in the hospital he admitted we
got in a fight I hit her I punched her I
kicked a door down I dragged her up by
her hair they found clumps of hair well
brace a lot of the story he’s probably
not stupid and he knows that the
evidence will show that but he’s gonna
he’s not he’s gonna stop short of saying
that I then was throwing nice at her so
I don’t know how much that helps here I
don’t know how much up her helps either
okay but I do have to say for me knowing
her past if I didn’t know her past and I
didn’t know about the false allegations
I would probably be much quicker to
believe her what about the fact that she
pulled a knife on an ex-boyfriend a year
before
does that hurt her case you think not as
much as the false accusations but it
doesn’t help okay so the jury
deliberated on this and I think they
went out for about six hours and they
came back and she was charged with first
degree
and agree not sure if they threw
anything else in but so the jury comes
back and they say not guilty to
first-degree murder but guilty to
second-degree murder that makes sense
because there’s no there’s no way to
assess whether this was premeditated it
sounds like it was a crime of passion
here at the moment so actually my I’m I
was thinking why would they have charged
her with first-degree murder I know they
up charged sometimes because they want
to get a guilty verdict to something
lower but there’s no I mean I don’t see
any premeditation whatsoever here no I
don’t either
Christel wound up getting the judge
sentenced her to to years in
prison there’s a lot of you know with
first-degree murder there’s really no
variation and you get first-degree years
you’re looking at life with or without
the possibility of parole or the death
penalty when second-degree murder comes
into play there’s a lot of variation you
can get as little as ten years or as
much as years yeah so that is kind of
light so crystal is now serving her
sentence at the North Carolina
Correctional Institution for Women so
where do I fall on this one at the end
because I you know I watched a lot I’ve
read a lot I remember the case quite
well the Duke case I’m conflicted I
believe this was clearly not planned and
I do believe that this became I do
believe that the crime occurred because
of a violent attack on her I don’t
believe this was not precipitated at all
and I don’t believe this was her you
know both both parties agree that Reggie
was the aggressor he started the fight
he physically attacked her so when was
that less provoked they’re saying you
shoot she was provoked I believe which
again this is not a victim blaming but
this is a victim precipitation of events
and so there was a provocation and she
was physically attacked so what happened
afterwards I think we both agree on
about half the facts but I think
probably happened though is that I don’t
believe her story that he was I don’t
believe the story that he got a bunch of
knives out and started throwing them at
her and she was protecting herself
I believe his version was that probably
the appropriate one even if he minimized
what he had done I do believe that he
attacked her she was angry she might
have even been scared look if you got
physically attacked like that you still
have a reason to say that I grabbed a
knife because I was
garetty with he had beat me let me go
for a second but so I believe it’s more
likely that she grabbed the knife after
she was angry and she stabbed him at
which point the right thing to do would
have been just leaving right because
when we talk about self-defense it’s
only it’s only a valid defense if you
had no other choice right if you could
not leave or if your life was in
imminent danger if your life is in
imminent danger unless you’re in the
stand-your-ground States but sure that
they weren’t stand your ground
no however you could probably be I don’t
know a little sympathetic to someone who
was just I’m not saying I’m completely
sympathetic but I’m a little bit
sympathetic that she was not you know
she didn’t just pick up a knife and stab
this guy she was mad at him cause I mean
I’m also sympathetic to the fact that
her past played such a role in the
current situation I don’t know that
that’s fair again if they change the
venue maybe I think it would have given
her a better shot but yeah I think so
for the sentencing I think actually this
is an appropriate sentence because I
believe it was second-degree murder and
I think to years takes a count the
fact that she took someone’s life but
they were mitigating factors but I have
to wonder what’s gonna happen to Krystal
when she comes out like will her time
have rehabilitated her as well because
Krystal has a past of arrests of violent
behavior of resisting arrest of
displaying knife she has you know she
has quite the history so I’m wondering I
guess that’s my question will she come
out rehabilitated or when Krystal comes
out and the next time she has a domestic
incident or something you know an
altercation with someone will she then
resort to you know setting someone’s
clothes on fire or pulling a knife I’m
not sure well I think it depends on how
she spends her time if she spends her
time in programming and you know doing
things so better herself also if she
takes responsibility is she remorseful
or does she really feel like she’s the
victim because if her if her version of
events is the correct one
this is just gonna make her angry
because no one believes her and she’s
serving time for protecting her life in
which case it’ll make her bitter when
she comes out it might make her better
yes so she’s and now hold as she now so
this happened in and she was
sentenced
and to which means that she could
get actually if it’s to she could
probably be up for parole at like
years I’d say and she’s about our age so
she’ll be in her mid s when she’s up
for parole so I’d be very curious to see
what the parole board you know decides
to do or if she has to you know does she
have to serve % but she’ll still come
out a fairly young woman so I’m always
curious about the age out of fact we
know that when offenders come out I
wouldn’t worry about her let them we
talked about Betty Broderick you know
coming out as a year old like she’s
aged out of crime for the most part but
I wonder about a woman who comes out
who’s you know served like you said an
unjustified sentence and will she be
able to rehabilitate and assimilate back
into society I don’t know I guess we’ll
have to wait and see for her sake I hope
she does all right Amy well that’s all I
have for today thank you so much thank
you
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